1 00:00:03,110 --> 00:00:02,389 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:04,249 --> 00:00:03,120 triangle 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:04,259 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:07,309 --> 00:00:05,370 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:07,319 Rendlesham forest incident that doesn't 6 00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:09,690 involve aliens at all it was completely 7 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:13,200 silent it comes right over our head it's 8 00:00:17,630 --> 00:00:16,049 so a classic flying-saucer really 9 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:17,640 standing in the clearing he turned over 10 00:00:20,750 --> 00:00:19,410 to my father and held his hand and he 11 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:20,760 looked in his eyes and said we're not 12 00:00:26,060 --> 00:00:24,330 alone good evening and I say it that way 13 00:00:28,910 --> 00:00:26,070 because we're so close to Halloween this 14 00:00:30,500 --> 00:00:28,920 is Martyn Willis the host of podcast UFO 15 00:00:34,010 --> 00:00:30,510 and welcome to the show 16 00:00:36,049 --> 00:00:34,020 and we're coming at you live like every 17 00:00:38,690 --> 00:00:36,059 Wednesday at 9:00 p.m. Eastern Standard 18 00:00:40,430 --> 00:00:38,700 Time on the dark matter radio network we 19 00:00:40,819 --> 00:00:40,440 have another fascinating show for you 20 00:00:43,819 --> 00:00:40,829 tonight 21 00:00:46,459 --> 00:00:43,829 Alejandro Rojas of open minds is coming 22 00:00:49,850 --> 00:00:46,469 right up with the UFO news and after 23 00:00:51,729 --> 00:00:49,860 that our guest is David Paris and he'll 24 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:51,739 be talking about space warp technology 25 00:00:57,189 --> 00:00:55,170 amazing stuff and that will be a show 26 00:01:00,400 --> 00:00:57,199 that I think you'll find fascinating and 27 00:01:04,729 --> 00:01:00,410 how are you doing out there alejandro I 28 00:01:07,730 --> 00:01:04,739 am doing great hello sir hello and I saw 29 00:01:09,770 --> 00:01:07,740 when I was booking David Paris I was 30 00:01:13,340 --> 00:01:09,780 looking online to see who else had him 31 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:13,350 on and it looks like you had him on yeah 32 00:01:16,700 --> 00:01:14,610 I've had him a couple of times I think 33 00:01:20,510 --> 00:01:16,710 I've had him the most and I've been 34 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:20,520 following this his Space Warp stuff very 35 00:01:25,219 --> 00:01:22,560 closely in fact I'm I told him I'm gonna 36 00:01:29,210 --> 00:01:25,229 write a blog for the Huffington Post on 37 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:29,220 his IndieGoGo project because I think 38 00:01:35,030 --> 00:01:31,890 it's fascinating it is and you know this 39 00:01:36,740 --> 00:01:35,040 may really show how it's possible for us 40 00:01:40,370 --> 00:01:36,750 to get to the stars and how the stars 41 00:01:42,289 --> 00:01:40,380 are possibly getting to us so I'm in Hua 42 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:42,299 - would that be I mean how cool would it 43 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:44,130 be that you know like you and I got to 44 00:01:48,620 --> 00:01:46,290 talk to this guy and these gentlemen 45 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:48,630 with great credentials who you know 46 00:01:53,330 --> 00:01:50,850 discovered and built a space warp 47 00:01:55,639 --> 00:01:53,340 technology in their basement essentially 48 00:01:57,410 --> 00:01:55,649 I mean that'd be amazing it really is 49 00:01:59,899 --> 00:01:57,420 how dell computers started you know I 50 00:02:01,999 --> 00:01:59,909 mean how a lot of yeah you know just way 51 00:02:03,590 --> 00:02:02,009 off topic here but you know the Apple 52 00:02:06,260 --> 00:02:03,600 number one the very first motherboard 53 00:02:07,910 --> 00:02:06,270 ever made by Apple just sold for just 54 00:02:10,190 --> 00:02:07,920 under a million dollars at auction the 55 00:02:13,910 --> 00:02:10,200 other days and that's something yeah all 56 00:02:16,339 --> 00:02:13,920 on wood blocks yeah exactly so 57 00:02:17,750 --> 00:02:16,349 speaking of credentials let's talk about 58 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:17,760 the news I know we're gonna start right 59 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:20,160 off talking about Boyd Bushman that's 60 00:02:24,790 --> 00:02:21,810 right another gentleman with some 61 00:02:28,339 --> 00:02:24,800 impeccable credentials he really is a 62 00:02:31,580 --> 00:02:28,349 Lockheed Martin engineer a senior 63 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:31,590 scientist there before he retired he 64 00:02:35,690 --> 00:02:33,330 recently passed away 65 00:02:38,630 --> 00:02:35,700 August 7th however before passing away 66 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:38,640 he did a video that has gone viral and 67 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:40,370 is making waves in mainstream media 68 00:02:48,650 --> 00:02:43,530 where he claims that there are aliens 69 00:02:50,930 --> 00:02:48,660 and UFOs at area 51 now our story kind 70 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:50,940 of chronicles his discussion in this 71 00:02:57,229 --> 00:02:54,170 arena over the years because he actually 72 00:02:59,300 --> 00:02:57,239 as far as I know the first appearance he 73 00:03:01,880 --> 00:02:59,310 did talking about anti-gravity was on a 74 00:03:05,210 --> 00:03:01,890 1999 documentary that's where I first 75 00:03:07,100 --> 00:03:05,220 saw him that was done by Nick cook who 76 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:07,110 wrote for James Defence the famous 77 00:03:13,580 --> 00:03:11,610 military magazine and he was looking 78 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:13,590 into black projects he said no one you 79 00:03:17,750 --> 00:03:15,330 know he thought maybe there was 80 00:03:19,670 --> 00:03:17,760 anti-gravity projects out there but no 81 00:03:21,289 --> 00:03:19,680 company said they had any but this one 82 00:03:23,780 --> 00:03:21,299 engineer from Lockheed Martin would talk 83 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:23,790 to him now Boyd Bushmen this entire time 84 00:03:27,229 --> 00:03:25,290 and even back here his statements are 85 00:03:29,270 --> 00:03:27,239 really vague and kind of you know hard 86 00:03:31,099 --> 00:03:29,280 to understand so Nick cook was saying 87 00:03:32,690 --> 00:03:31,109 well maybe he's trying to tell me 88 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:32,700 something but he can't 89 00:03:37,340 --> 00:03:34,530 but essentially Boyd Bushman said he's 90 00:03:40,789 --> 00:03:37,350 interested in antigravity years later in 91 00:03:42,710 --> 00:03:40,799 2007 he did another documentary again he 92 00:03:47,270 --> 00:03:42,720 talked about anti-gravity and how UFOs 93 00:03:49,970 --> 00:03:47,280 are most likely advanced and aircraft 94 00:03:51,710 --> 00:03:49,980 mistaken for something else but then at 95 00:03:54,229 --> 00:03:51,720 the end you know this is what David 96 00:03:56,270 --> 00:03:54,239 sarita kind of coaxed him and he says he 97 00:03:58,940 --> 00:03:56,280 knew a jet fighter pilot who shot down 98 00:04:01,039 --> 00:03:58,950 the Roswell aircraft and walked inside 99 00:04:03,890 --> 00:04:01,049 and saw the alien so this is shocking 100 00:04:05,809 --> 00:04:03,900 about a year later you know I was 101 00:04:08,569 --> 00:04:05,819 talking with a friend who in this field 102 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:08,579 who said they knew Boyd Bushman and they 103 00:04:12,410 --> 00:04:10,650 forwarded me an email that they had just 104 00:04:14,629 --> 00:04:12,420 received from him that was this 105 00:04:18,409 --> 00:04:14,639 polygraph test with these amazing claim 106 00:04:21,020 --> 00:04:18,419 to Terry aliens at area 51 that he 107 00:04:23,089 --> 00:04:21,030 worked at s4 that he knew Bob Lazar and 108 00:04:25,370 --> 00:04:23,099 all this stuff and I couldn't verify 109 00:04:27,170 --> 00:04:25,380 whether or not it was real boy Bushman 110 00:04:29,540 --> 00:04:27,180 sent me a cryptic email that just 111 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:29,550 said if you want to do an interview tell 112 00:04:34,820 --> 00:04:31,050 me when and how much you want to pay me 113 00:04:36,950 --> 00:04:34,830 and that's all I heard from him so I did 114 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:36,960 post that just this week given this new 115 00:04:40,969 --> 00:04:38,970 information because in this new video 116 00:04:43,610 --> 00:04:40,979 he's showing these pictures of aliens 117 00:04:45,830 --> 00:04:43,620 he's talking about you know an alien 118 00:04:48,469 --> 00:04:45,840 ghost picture he shows where this guy he 119 00:04:50,090 --> 00:04:48,479 knew supposedly was with this alien when 120 00:04:52,249 --> 00:04:50,100 it died and when he took a picture of 121 00:04:54,860 --> 00:04:52,259 himself the aliens showed up in in the 122 00:04:57,980 --> 00:04:54,870 picture some real wild stuff about good 123 00:05:00,469 --> 00:04:57,990 aliens and bad aliens and recently the 124 00:05:03,620 --> 00:05:00,479 aliens defending themselves and killing 125 00:05:06,050 --> 00:05:03,630 19 people and really wild it's kind of 126 00:05:08,870 --> 00:05:06,060 fake you know he's not really clear on 127 00:05:11,390 --> 00:05:08,880 all of these claims but he says he 128 00:05:14,210 --> 00:05:11,400 wasn't at area 51 in this video he says 129 00:05:17,870 --> 00:05:14,220 he received it from a team that worked 130 00:05:20,450 --> 00:05:17,880 at area 51 but some problems obviously 131 00:05:23,570 --> 00:05:20,460 there's a lot have arisen in his 132 00:05:25,820 --> 00:05:23,580 statement one being that actually did 133 00:05:27,620 --> 00:05:25,830 some research those pictures he posted 134 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:27,630 of this alleged alien he got from his 135 00:05:33,409 --> 00:05:30,930 team were posted by a guy named John 136 00:05:35,870 --> 00:05:33,419 Hutchinson a Canadian anti-gravity 137 00:05:38,089 --> 00:05:35,880 researcher who boy Bushman had said he 138 00:05:39,740 --> 00:05:38,099 was interested prior but in 2008 139 00:05:42,500 --> 00:05:39,750 Hutchinson said he received these 140 00:05:45,020 --> 00:05:42,510 pictures and he from an unknown source 141 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:45,030 he said they were in the CIA he posted 142 00:05:49,189 --> 00:05:46,650 them and immediately people said hey 143 00:05:51,230 --> 00:05:49,199 that's an alien from Kmart I've got that 144 00:05:54,140 --> 00:05:51,240 alien in my office and they started 145 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:54,150 posting pictures so now boy Bushman has 146 00:05:59,510 --> 00:05:56,490 said that these alien pictures were 147 00:06:01,159 --> 00:05:59,520 among his pictures he got from area 51 148 00:06:04,100 --> 00:06:01,169 and now a lot of people are saying hey 149 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:04,110 that's my Kmart alien so I think it's 150 00:06:08,450 --> 00:06:05,610 really there are a lot of people saying 151 00:06:10,939 --> 00:06:08,460 no the alien looks a little different 152 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:10,949 it's close but not the same some people 153 00:06:15,589 --> 00:06:12,690 are saying well the government probably 154 00:06:18,409 --> 00:06:15,599 created that doll and and sold it at 155 00:06:20,210 --> 00:06:18,419 Kmart in order to if the pictures ever 156 00:06:23,180 --> 00:06:20,220 came out then they could debunk them 157 00:06:25,129 --> 00:06:23,190 well that's a stretch yeah it's a really 158 00:06:27,529 --> 00:06:25,139 big stretch so I think that 159 00:06:29,719 --> 00:06:27,539 unfortunately mr. Bushmen uh and 160 00:06:30,980 --> 00:06:29,729 probably John Hutchinson who I think is 161 00:06:33,860 --> 00:06:30,990 a great guy he's a very interesting 162 00:06:36,980 --> 00:06:33,870 researcher I think they were both kind 163 00:06:39,170 --> 00:06:36,990 of fooled and but you know that shows 164 00:06:40,940 --> 00:06:39,180 that mister bushman's pictures didn't 165 00:06:43,390 --> 00:06:40,950 come from area 51 they came 166 00:06:46,670 --> 00:06:43,400 a friend of his so you got a question 167 00:06:49,070 --> 00:06:46,680 where all this information came from and 168 00:06:51,170 --> 00:06:49,080 the rest of his claims and why the heck 169 00:06:53,180 --> 00:06:51,180 is he claiming all this stuff yeah you 170 00:06:54,770 --> 00:06:53,190 know there's a couple things that don't 171 00:06:56,510 --> 00:06:54,780 really sit right with me 172 00:06:59,450 --> 00:06:56,520 of course the pictures right off the bat 173 00:07:01,580 --> 00:06:59,460 but secondly when you were conversing 174 00:07:03,980 --> 00:07:01,590 back and forth with him and he wanted 175 00:07:05,690 --> 00:07:03,990 money you know to be on your show that 176 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:05,700 kind of I don't know that doesn't sit 177 00:07:10,490 --> 00:07:08,970 right with me and he's a brilliant man 178 00:07:12,980 --> 00:07:10,500 you can tell that right off the bat and 179 00:07:16,340 --> 00:07:12,990 I did a little research in the patents 180 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:16,350 that they claim are his actually do go 181 00:07:21,590 --> 00:07:19,530 to Lockheed Martin and were credited to 182 00:07:24,380 --> 00:07:21,600 him so he's definitely you know he's 183 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:24,390 he's legit but you know he might be one 184 00:07:28,010 --> 00:07:25,530 of these people that just went off the 185 00:07:29,690 --> 00:07:28,020 far end a little bit you know as they 186 00:07:32,180 --> 00:07:29,700 get older and you know who knows the 187 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:32,190 circumstances yeah it happens we 188 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:33,930 interviewed a guy named dick French and 189 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:35,310 Lee Spiegel wrote about him and that 190 00:07:39,650 --> 00:07:37,290 made a big story but I feel that's the 191 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:39,660 same thing these guys stories are 192 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:41,250 inconsistent even though he was a real 193 00:07:46,580 --> 00:07:44,450 Air Force pilot in the past so who knows 194 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:46,590 related to this he said he knew Bob 195 00:07:52,100 --> 00:07:49,710 Lazar and it just so happens I have been 196 00:07:54,170 --> 00:07:52,110 in contact with Bob Lazar because this 197 00:07:56,300 --> 00:07:54,180 is our other big news for the week Bob 198 00:07:58,970 --> 00:07:56,310 Lazar is going to be speaking at the UFO 199 00:08:01,670 --> 00:07:58,980 Congress so this is going to be 200 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:01,680 essentially his first appearance at a at 201 00:08:06,860 --> 00:08:04,170 a UFO event like this well I was going 202 00:08:09,470 --> 00:08:06,870 to say he he's been away from the whole 203 00:08:11,300 --> 00:08:09,480 thing for such a long time he's been 204 00:08:13,130 --> 00:08:11,310 away since the beginning I mean he came 205 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:13,140 out the only person he talks to his 206 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:15,210 George Knapp was in a while but 207 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:17,130 otherwise he shied away from this stuff 208 00:08:20,930 --> 00:08:18,810 and just like he's done in recent 209 00:08:22,310 --> 00:08:20,940 interviews which origen happy says you 210 00:08:23,750 --> 00:08:22,320 know I don't like being part of the 211 00:08:27,620 --> 00:08:23,760 whole UFO thing I don't care if people 212 00:08:29,210 --> 00:08:27,630 believe me or not and well what happened 213 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:29,220 was in that he came out for the 214 00:08:33,950 --> 00:08:30,810 anniversary did another interview with 215 00:08:36,950 --> 00:08:33,960 George Knapp and he kind of said these 216 00:08:38,780 --> 00:08:36,960 things and so you know what we 217 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:38,790 approached George with and George agreed 218 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:40,290 is kind of like well let's get those 219 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:43,410 hard questions people have out there let 220 00:08:48,140 --> 00:08:45,570 you answer those and be done with it so 221 00:08:49,820 --> 00:08:48,150 you can so it's going to be George Knapp 222 00:08:52,860 --> 00:08:49,830 is going to talk about his case I saw 223 00:08:56,550 --> 00:08:52,870 this talk at MUFON it's very compelling 224 00:08:59,790 --> 00:08:56,560 and then he's going to bring out Bob 225 00:09:01,650 --> 00:08:59,800 Lazar and do an hour Q & A and so this 226 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:01,660 is going to be fascinating but anyways 227 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:03,250 I'm definitely going to be out there and 228 00:09:07,380 --> 00:09:05,529 I hope I actually get to interview Bob 229 00:09:09,060 --> 00:09:07,390 but you know I mean I I'm on the fence 230 00:09:09,540 --> 00:09:09,070 about him do I got to be to be honest 231 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:09,550 with you 232 00:09:15,900 --> 00:09:12,370 whether he's legit or not you know I 233 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:15,910 mean he JM he did he did not speak the 234 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:17,710 truth when it came to things like MIT 235 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:19,330 and stuff like that you know I mean it's 236 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:21,250 pretty well-covered that he actually 237 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:23,410 didn't go there and you know people say 238 00:09:27,420 --> 00:09:25,810 well maybe the government you know did 239 00:09:29,790 --> 00:09:27,430 something with his files and all that 240 00:09:31,890 --> 00:09:29,800 you know conspiracy type of stuff but I 241 00:09:35,700 --> 00:09:31,900 don't know Stanton Friedman look really 242 00:09:37,860 --> 00:09:35,710 deeply into his education and I I'm on 243 00:09:39,690 --> 00:09:37,870 the fence of with Bob about Bob Lazar 244 00:09:45,060 --> 00:09:39,700 but I still would love to interview him 245 00:09:48,090 --> 00:09:45,070 yeah I think I have similar feelings as 246 00:09:51,210 --> 00:09:48,100 you do but really George makes a lot of 247 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:51,220 really great arguments and so it's going 248 00:09:54,990 --> 00:09:52,930 to be really interesting to see Lazar 249 00:09:58,110 --> 00:09:55,000 address some of those issues because 250 00:10:00,870 --> 00:09:58,120 George does understand these problems 251 00:10:03,300 --> 00:10:00,880 very well so he sees where these issues 252 00:10:05,699 --> 00:10:03,310 are and you know he's a very hard-nosed 253 00:10:09,390 --> 00:10:05,709 investigative journalist so he'll talk 254 00:10:12,300 --> 00:10:09,400 about that but for what it's worth I did 255 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:12,310 ask Lazar you know if he really did know 256 00:10:16,710 --> 00:10:15,010 Bob Boyd Bushman and he said is it 257 00:10:18,449 --> 00:10:16,720 direct quote was no I've never heard of 258 00:10:21,540 --> 00:10:18,459 him there were very few people who 259 00:10:23,370 --> 00:10:21,550 worked at s4 just a little over 20 we 260 00:10:25,620 --> 00:10:23,380 all knew the names on the list he was 261 00:10:29,070 --> 00:10:25,630 not one of them mm-hmm 262 00:10:30,990 --> 00:10:29,080 well so weird stuff I don't know what to 263 00:10:33,510 --> 00:10:31,000 make of it right so what's the last 264 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:33,520 story for today yeah this one's really 265 00:10:37,710 --> 00:10:35,290 fun this is a pool that was done 266 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:37,720 recently by Ripley's Believe It or Not 267 00:10:43,079 --> 00:10:41,050 in Louisville in London and this was a 268 00:10:45,510 --> 00:10:43,089 pool as to you know what people if 269 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:45,520 people believed in aliens and or God and 270 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:47,529 it was really interesting they pulled 271 00:10:55,530 --> 00:10:51,910 1500 adults and they 51% of these adults 272 00:10:58,829 --> 00:10:55,540 believed in aliens only 25% believed in 273 00:11:02,880 --> 00:10:58,839 God when it came to the kids 500 were 274 00:11:04,949 --> 00:11:02,890 pulled 64 percent believed in aliens 33 275 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:04,959 percent believed in God so it's kind of 276 00:11:08,700 --> 00:11:06,250 higher that our interest 277 00:11:10,830 --> 00:11:08,710 that the kids I had to hire rate for God 278 00:11:12,510 --> 00:11:10,840 but still yeah this has been kind of a 279 00:11:17,550 --> 00:11:12,520 story that's been going out there in the 280 00:11:19,380 --> 00:11:17,560 UK that you know in the Brits believe in 281 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:19,390 aliens more than they do in God so 282 00:11:23,820 --> 00:11:21,010 that's kind of interesting and I think 283 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:23,830 it's just telling when it comes to how 284 00:11:29,190 --> 00:11:26,530 people feel about this sort of thing and 285 00:11:30,570 --> 00:11:29,200 I do a talk on on UFOs and religion and 286 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:30,580 extraterrestrials and it's almost like 287 00:11:36,270 --> 00:11:32,650 you know we're adopting kind of this 288 00:11:41,820 --> 00:11:36,280 nouveau Tech and you know tech based 289 00:11:43,590 --> 00:11:41,830 religious belief mm-hmm well I think you 290 00:11:45,300 --> 00:11:43,600 know the more and more that there's 291 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:45,310 awareness that there's most likely life 292 00:11:49,650 --> 00:11:46,930 out there the more and more people will 293 00:11:52,350 --> 00:11:49,660 believe you know that there's possibly 294 00:11:54,660 --> 00:11:52,360 aliens out there yeah it's a really 295 00:11:57,900 --> 00:11:54,670 interesting story I think and the god 296 00:11:59,490 --> 00:11:57,910 one I wouldn't touch that one now well 297 00:12:02,310 --> 00:11:59,500 it's a tough subject that always gets 298 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:02,320 people on people are passionate on both 299 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:04,510 sides of the fence on that one don't be 300 00:12:08,550 --> 00:12:06,730 a worse man no I I understand what 301 00:12:10,710 --> 00:12:08,560 you're saying I'd like to feel that I'm 302 00:12:13,170 --> 00:12:10,720 agnostic as it was what I like to say 303 00:12:15,540 --> 00:12:13,180 not straight atheist but I do got to say 304 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:15,550 that you know when it comes to people 305 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:17,050 who believe some really wild stuff 306 00:12:20,850 --> 00:12:18,610 whether it be UFO cases or 307 00:12:23,220 --> 00:12:20,860 extraterrestrial cases I don't put much 308 00:12:24,630 --> 00:12:23,230 stock into you know if you're a 309 00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:24,640 religious person you can't really 310 00:12:29,940 --> 00:12:27,360 persecute those people because your 311 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:29,950 beliefs are based off of faith as well 312 00:12:34,950 --> 00:12:32,650 so to me it's all kind of faith-based 313 00:12:37,290 --> 00:12:34,960 stuff that that I don't prescribe or 314 00:12:39,450 --> 00:12:37,300 subscribe to but each one has their own 315 00:12:41,790 --> 00:12:39,460 right to believe whatever they want and 316 00:12:43,530 --> 00:12:41,800 I think it's interesting that Corrado 317 00:12:46,110 --> 00:12:43,540 Balducci who used to be the demonologist 318 00:12:47,820 --> 00:12:46,120 for the Vatican he said how can i 319 00:12:51,110 --> 00:12:47,830 discount their anecdotal information 320 00:12:54,810 --> 00:12:51,120 when my beliefs in my religion are also 321 00:12:56,730 --> 00:12:54,820 anecdotal good for him say that and I'm 322 00:12:59,160 --> 00:12:56,740 right there with you with the agnostic 323 00:13:01,620 --> 00:12:59,170 stuff there I came out of the agnostic 324 00:13:05,670 --> 00:13:01,630 closet yeah thank you thanks for joining 325 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:05,680 us and I knew you you would one day 326 00:13:10,650 --> 00:13:07,930 alright Alejandro thanks a lot and we'll 327 00:13:12,329 --> 00:13:10,660 be talking to you next week all right so 328 00:13:14,490 --> 00:13:12,339 right after the short music break we'll 329 00:13:16,650 --> 00:13:14,500 be right back with the David Paris and 330 00:13:19,740 --> 00:13:16,660 you can jump in the chat room at podcast 331 00:13:54,260 --> 00:13:19,750 UFO calm and interact and ask 332 00:14:00,090 --> 00:13:58,290 well hello David Paris how are you I'm 333 00:14:03,269 --> 00:14:00,100 good how are you doing tonight great 334 00:14:05,190 --> 00:14:03,279 thanks so much for joining us and I I 335 00:14:08,700 --> 00:14:05,200 think I heard you on coast to coast or 336 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:08,710 somewhere and I was rather taken and 337 00:14:14,730 --> 00:14:11,529 fascinated by what you're trying to do 338 00:14:16,980 --> 00:14:14,740 in this whole thing I actually had a 339 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:16,990 conversation going with sunny dr. sunny 340 00:14:23,220 --> 00:14:20,410 white at Eagle works I think it was 341 00:14:25,290 --> 00:14:23,230 about warp bubbles and stuff like that 342 00:14:27,810 --> 00:14:25,300 this this stuff all just fascinates me 343 00:14:30,570 --> 00:14:27,820 so first of all can you introduce 344 00:14:32,090 --> 00:14:30,580 yourself your your background and what 345 00:14:36,269 --> 00:14:32,100 you're what you're up to 346 00:14:40,110 --> 00:14:36,279 okay my name is David Parris and I'm an 347 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:40,120 adjunct professor at four local colleges 348 00:14:46,590 --> 00:14:43,570 here and I teach about ten different 349 00:14:52,769 --> 00:14:46,600 courses from astronomy physics geography 350 00:14:55,850 --> 00:14:52,779 geology meteorology I do a number of I'm 351 00:14:59,780 --> 00:14:55,860 kind of like this traveling science guy 352 00:15:03,810 --> 00:14:59,790 and I do about 70 semester hours a year 353 00:15:08,550 --> 00:15:03,820 so I'm very busy with distant education 354 00:15:11,850 --> 00:15:08,560 face to face and I've also have a 355 00:15:14,820 --> 00:15:11,860 company that we recently formed after 356 00:15:17,220 --> 00:15:14,830 about three years of well I guess it 357 00:15:19,620 --> 00:15:17,230 started really back nine years ago when 358 00:15:24,019 --> 00:15:19,630 I got involved with the research on the 359 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:24,029 Bruce Gernon case and that had led up to 360 00:15:29,220 --> 00:15:27,610 a discovery of natural phenomena and 361 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:29,230 then to take it into the lab and 362 00:15:34,949 --> 00:15:30,940 actually produce an artificial 363 00:15:40,079 --> 00:15:34,959 environment of space warp bubble and in 364 00:15:45,090 --> 00:15:40,089 the last year August of 2013 we formed a 365 00:15:49,230 --> 00:15:45,100 company of space warp dynamics and so we 366 00:15:52,460 --> 00:15:49,240 haven't sold anything yet but we're in I 367 00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:52,470 have any basic free time that I have 368 00:15:59,100 --> 00:15:55,839 I've been you know in the laboratory 369 00:16:02,750 --> 00:15:59,110 itself I have a master's degree in 370 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:02,760 geography and I have an engineering 371 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:06,050 associate in science and 372 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:08,690 I've been in Air Force I've written 373 00:16:14,860 --> 00:16:11,330 numerical weather models I've had about 374 00:16:17,889 --> 00:16:14,870 40 years into the defense contracting 375 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:17,899 business and also as a private defense 376 00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:21,410 contractor working with the Army and 377 00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:24,560 portable forecaster workstations 378 00:16:35,079 --> 00:16:30,100 I guess it's my involvement in aviation 379 00:16:37,660 --> 00:16:35,089 ham radio electronics software numerical 380 00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:37,670 weather modeling all that came very 381 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:41,120 nicely packaged in and under the the 382 00:16:48,699 --> 00:16:45,170 geography header which allows you to be 383 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:48,709 cross disciplines and operate in any of 384 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:51,770 the modes and I prefer in that kind of 385 00:16:57,250 --> 00:16:55,130 realm kind of work that I do you have to 386 00:16:58,780 --> 00:16:57,260 be knowledgeable about a lot of 387 00:17:00,940 --> 00:16:58,790 different fields and be able to 388 00:17:04,090 --> 00:17:00,950 integrate those things together I never 389 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:04,100 wanted to ever be pigeonholed into a 390 00:17:13,360 --> 00:17:07,370 particular segment now that doesn't mean 391 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:13,370 that I reject people who are you know 392 00:17:17,230 --> 00:17:15,530 concentrated in their fields that that's 393 00:17:19,900 --> 00:17:17,240 not where I'm coming from it I just feel 394 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:19,910 is that you you really need when you're 395 00:17:24,250 --> 00:17:22,370 working on a particular subject matter 396 00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:24,260 like this is that you got to have a 397 00:17:30,669 --> 00:17:28,640 background that covers a wide vista of 398 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:30,679 things you just you would just be 399 00:17:37,930 --> 00:17:35,090 surprised on where ideas and experiences 400 00:17:39,370 --> 00:17:37,940 come from to solve this big detective 401 00:17:41,740 --> 00:17:39,380 story and that's really what it's come 402 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:41,750 down to I mean this is like a really 403 00:17:48,430 --> 00:17:46,010 intriguing detective story started back 404 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:48,440 when I was 16 when I had my sighting of 405 00:17:55,810 --> 00:17:53,090 a UFO upstate New York in 1969 actually 406 00:17:57,910 --> 00:17:55,820 near the end of August when we formed 407 00:17:59,620 --> 00:17:57,920 formed a company all the ironies of it 408 00:18:02,620 --> 00:17:59,630 all yeah so I want to talk a little bit 409 00:18:04,650 --> 00:18:02,630 about that ND art bell probably have you 410 00:18:07,330 --> 00:18:04,660 ever talked to him on your ham radio oh 411 00:18:11,669 --> 00:18:07,340 well actually I'm not an extra class I'm 412 00:18:14,169 --> 00:18:11,679 a general class oh so he he actually has 413 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:14,179 reserved frequencies for extra class 414 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:17,330 that I'm not allowed to to get on to 415 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:18,770 okay you're speaking a foreign language 416 00:18:22,930 --> 00:18:20,330 to me but that's okay 417 00:18:26,290 --> 00:18:22,940 can you tell us what the Bruce I believe 418 00:18:30,430 --> 00:18:26,300 you said Guren hey Jordan yeah yes I'll 419 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:30,440 talk about that sure in 1970 he was 420 00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:34,610 flying a Beechcraft a36 beach bonanza 421 00:18:40,270 --> 00:18:38,000 it was a brand new several months out of 422 00:18:42,460 --> 00:18:40,280 the factory and he had been making a 423 00:18:46,210 --> 00:18:42,470 number of flights from West Palm Beach 424 00:18:49,810 --> 00:18:46,220 to Andrews island and he was doing this 425 00:18:52,060 --> 00:18:49,820 as a business venture and his father was 426 00:18:53,620 --> 00:18:52,070 in Realty II and he had another business 427 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:53,630 associate he was actually in 428 00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:56,450 construction and they made a number of 429 00:19:00,130 --> 00:18:58,730 flights back and forth to Andros to West 430 00:19:02,230 --> 00:19:00,140 Palm Beach about fourteen of these 431 00:19:06,220 --> 00:19:02,240 things and on one of the last flights 432 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:06,230 that they had made he got caught up in a 433 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:08,210 series of thunderstorms very rapidly 434 00:19:16,030 --> 00:19:10,730 developing thunderstorms which circled 435 00:19:19,210 --> 00:19:16,040 his aircraft and he was near the Bimini 436 00:19:21,549 --> 00:19:19,220 Island area and he had to make a 437 00:19:25,060 --> 00:19:21,559 decision because these thunderstorms 438 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:25,070 were up to about 65,000 feet and the 439 00:19:31,659 --> 00:19:27,650 last two was kind of closing the door on 440 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:31,669 his escape route and as these things 441 00:19:37,030 --> 00:19:34,130 began to go up he noticed the tunnel 442 00:19:40,180 --> 00:19:37,040 being formed between the two of them he 443 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:40,190 saw a blue sky on the other side and the 444 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:42,710 you know the rule of thumb is you don't 445 00:19:46,270 --> 00:19:44,330 fly through tunnels like that because 446 00:19:49,180 --> 00:19:46,280 there's an extreme turbulence you could 447 00:19:52,120 --> 00:19:49,190 lose control the aircraft but he knew 448 00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:52,130 that if he allowed these clouds or if he 449 00:19:55,690 --> 00:19:53,840 didn't penetrate and get out of this 450 00:19:59,020 --> 00:19:55,700 situation that he'd probably run out of 451 00:20:02,919 --> 00:19:59,030 fuel and crash into the ocean so he took 452 00:20:07,150 --> 00:20:02,929 the the tunnel and as he went through 453 00:20:09,690 --> 00:20:07,160 this which was miles and length within 454 00:20:12,669 --> 00:20:09,700 like 20 seconds he covered well over 455 00:20:16,540 --> 00:20:12,679 about ten miles of girth of these clouds 456 00:20:18,610 --> 00:20:16,550 forming them and which was way faster 457 00:20:22,450 --> 00:20:18,620 than what he should have been able to do 458 00:20:24,550 --> 00:20:22,460 this and as he exited this he got 459 00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:24,560 encased in what he calls electronic fog 460 00:20:29,710 --> 00:20:27,440 where visibility went to zero around his 461 00:20:31,900 --> 00:20:29,720 aircraft the aircraft was still flying 462 00:20:33,550 --> 00:20:31,910 the this quote 463 00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:33,560 electronic fog which is ionized 464 00:20:37,630 --> 00:20:35,840 particles that are formed from the 465 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:37,640 clouds that adhere to the aircraft 466 00:20:46,570 --> 00:20:42,410 surface because it's metal he was in a 467 00:20:48,850 --> 00:20:46,580 non sustainable mode but he got caught 468 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:48,860 up into a natural phenomenon the local 469 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:51,170 space warp bubble and this is as near as 470 00:20:55,870 --> 00:20:53,210 I can figure because it follows the 471 00:20:59,320 --> 00:20:55,880 theory and everything of alcoa 472 00:21:01,530 --> 00:20:59,330 Miguel Alcubierre and he ends up in 473 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:01,540 Miami Beach but he disappears from radar 474 00:21:07,420 --> 00:21:05,330 and he makes a radio call to the 475 00:21:09,780 --> 00:21:07,430 approach control and they say well 476 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:09,790 there's no aircraft at Bimini Island 477 00:21:15,730 --> 00:21:12,770 however we have an aircraft south on 478 00:21:18,130 --> 00:21:15,740 Miami Beach and he says like it can't 479 00:21:21,130 --> 00:21:18,140 happen because I'm like almost 100 miles 480 00:21:24,460 --> 00:21:21,140 away why can't you pick me up on radar 481 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:24,470 and he goes sir you know you're there's 482 00:21:29,380 --> 00:21:26,450 only one aircraft and that aircraft is 483 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:29,390 down over Miami Beach well the fog 484 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:33,290 dissipates and he is over Miami Beach 485 00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:35,450 and this occurs about two and a half 486 00:21:41,020 --> 00:21:38,240 minutes later he then clears with the 487 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:41,030 approach control he lands he had taken 488 00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:44,210 off at 3 o'clock in the afternoon he 489 00:21:52,740 --> 00:21:48,640 lands at West Palm Beach at 347 well 490 00:21:55,090 --> 00:21:52,750 something's wrong here because he 491 00:21:58,120 --> 00:21:55,100 normally and he had done these trips a 492 00:22:01,120 --> 00:21:58,130 number of times this trip typically 493 00:22:04,510 --> 00:22:01,130 takes 75 minutes and he actually had put 494 00:22:07,300 --> 00:22:04,520 an additional 40 miles on to the his 495 00:22:08,350 --> 00:22:07,310 route trying to avoid the thunderstorms 496 00:22:11,970 --> 00:22:08,360 and try to figure out what's going to 497 00:22:16,210 --> 00:22:11,980 happen so he actually made this trip 498 00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:16,220 within 47 minutes and so with a lands 499 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:18,680 ground clocks check with his ground 500 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:20,450 clock or his clock inside the aircraft 501 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:24,710 and he is puzzled by this but 502 00:22:30,460 --> 00:22:28,010 fortunately for us Bruce is a very 503 00:22:31,630 --> 00:22:30,470 meticulous pilot any I've flown with him 504 00:22:33,730 --> 00:22:31,640 several times actually 505 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:33,740 as a result doing other television 506 00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:35,570 programs with History Channel and 507 00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,000 Discovery Channel on that so we have met 508 00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:40,400 up several times and I interviewed him 509 00:22:45,580 --> 00:22:44,030 and I've flown with him like I said he's 510 00:22:48,220 --> 00:22:45,590 a very detailed kind of guy 511 00:22:50,529 --> 00:22:48,230 fortunately for us he wrote down a lot 512 00:22:52,899 --> 00:22:50,539 of this information and he also had the 513 00:22:55,570 --> 00:22:52,909 refueling tickets he's one of these type 514 00:22:58,539 --> 00:22:55,580 of pilots that as soon as he land he 515 00:23:00,460 --> 00:22:58,549 would then refuel the aircraft in this 516 00:23:02,860 --> 00:23:00,470 case he found that he had nine extra 517 00:23:05,289 --> 00:23:02,870 gallons of fuel that he did not expend 518 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:05,299 and he was like again you know again 519 00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:07,850 very meticulous about how much fuel do 520 00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:11,710 you use you know you know what was his 521 00:23:17,950 --> 00:23:14,240 use rates and all these type of things 522 00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:17,960 and so in order for him to have made 523 00:23:23,620 --> 00:23:20,720 that trip I calculated that he had to be 524 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:23,630 flying 319 miles an hour from takeoff to 525 00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:26,090 landing in order to traverse that 526 00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:29,840 distance now problem being is that the 527 00:23:36,610 --> 00:23:32,000 wings of the aircraft begin to crack at 528 00:23:39,070 --> 00:23:36,620 about 220 knots and you get structural 529 00:23:41,950 --> 00:23:39,080 cracks into the wing structures so the 530 00:23:45,220 --> 00:23:41,960 planes not designed to cone 319 miles an 531 00:23:47,470 --> 00:23:45,230 hour so that kind of was left out of the 532 00:23:50,620 --> 00:23:47,480 equation and then we had to then 533 00:23:52,990 --> 00:23:50,630 consider at that point as he has always 534 00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:53,000 said is this time travel that have 535 00:23:58,810 --> 00:23:56,510 gotten involved with because he states 536 00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:58,820 that you know the the whole began to 537 00:24:04,750 --> 00:24:01,279 rotate you know there were cloud like 538 00:24:06,519 --> 00:24:04,760 cumulus clouds small puffy Q inside that 539 00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:06,529 kind of looked like a cement mixer kind 540 00:24:13,779 --> 00:24:09,440 of going around he also it talks about 541 00:24:18,269 --> 00:24:13,789 feeling a little bit weightless and and 542 00:24:21,490 --> 00:24:18,279 the aircraft operating in a kind of a 543 00:24:25,380 --> 00:24:21,500 hydroplaning mode prior to feeling the 544 00:24:28,810 --> 00:24:25,390 weightlessness and it was momentary and 545 00:24:30,580 --> 00:24:28,820 so with all the and I kind of take this 546 00:24:33,639 --> 00:24:30,590 through in the science of the Bruce 547 00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:33,649 Gernon flight I take it through the 548 00:24:38,980 --> 00:24:36,559 tunnel second-by-second as his 549 00:24:42,639 --> 00:24:38,990 explanations and then make comparisons 550 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:42,649 against the Cal Cuvier migaila ku beers 551 00:24:51,730 --> 00:24:46,850 theories and they seem to parallel quite 552 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:51,740 nicely well that led me to then do some 553 00:24:57,220 --> 00:24:54,890 further investigation which I began to 554 00:24:58,990 --> 00:24:57,230 look at the weather forensics aircraft 555 00:25:01,210 --> 00:24:59,000 losses in the region 556 00:25:03,250 --> 00:25:01,220 and it started to compile all this 557 00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:03,260 information being a meteorologist you 558 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:04,910 know had access to all these that type 559 00:25:11,290 --> 00:25:07,130 of things and began to find a pattern 560 00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:11,300 and with that pattern I was able to then 561 00:25:18,370 --> 00:25:14,990 do some predictive analysis of those 562 00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:18,380 patterns and then make predictions as to 563 00:25:25,060 --> 00:25:20,960 these types of thunderstorms that would 564 00:25:27,310 --> 00:25:25,070 evolve and be created off the east coast 565 00:25:29,980 --> 00:25:27,320 of Miami and so you're at about 20 566 00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:29,990 degrees north latitude at that point so 567 00:25:38,110 --> 00:25:34,910 it's it's a very active area there's 568 00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:38,120 tremendous amounts of water vapor light 569 00:25:43,420 --> 00:25:41,150 variable upper air winds and the 570 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:43,430 availability of generating thunderstorms 571 00:25:49,180 --> 00:25:46,570 and from 11 o'clock in the morning 572 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:49,190 peaking at about the three o'clock mode 573 00:25:55,290 --> 00:25:50,570 or you know where they become very 574 00:25:58,260 --> 00:25:55,300 intense is very common in that region so 575 00:26:01,000 --> 00:25:58,270 pilots that take off in a nice clear sky 576 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:01,010 yeah we'll get wrapped up and involved 577 00:26:07,180 --> 00:26:02,930 in these things later on in today as 578 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:07,190 they fly out into the quote the um you 579 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:08,930 know triangle I use that with kind of 580 00:26:12,010 --> 00:26:09,770 tongue-in-cheek 581 00:26:15,940 --> 00:26:12,020 you could draw a trapezoid there if you 582 00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:15,950 wanted to this triangle is not really a 583 00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:19,760 line of demarcation you you take off and 584 00:26:25,330 --> 00:26:22,400 you leave the the coast of a United 585 00:26:29,020 --> 00:26:25,340 States in that region that general area 586 00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:29,030 and you can get involved in very rapidly 587 00:26:34,830 --> 00:26:32,720 forming open so cumulus that goes to 588 00:26:41,140 --> 00:26:34,840 towering queue that then goes to 589 00:26:45,820 --> 00:26:41,150 accumulate on a sea beam in Thunder spot 590 00:26:47,380 --> 00:26:45,830 a very large thunderstorm but in these 591 00:26:51,070 --> 00:26:47,390 cases the thunderstorms that are 592 00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,080 generated are huge is just tremendous 593 00:26:56,350 --> 00:26:53,360 and girth and that means the width of 594 00:27:00,130 --> 00:26:56,360 the cloud and the thunderstorms can 595 00:27:03,730 --> 00:27:00,140 evolve and go up to I have seen them on 596 00:27:05,980 --> 00:27:03,740 radar myself well in excess of 70,000 597 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:05,990 feet out in those in those regions well 598 00:27:12,220 --> 00:27:08,210 can you explain to the listener what a 599 00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:12,230 warp bubble is or theorized to be I 600 00:27:20,380 --> 00:27:13,390 should say 601 00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:20,390 yeah that theorized in the lab we have 602 00:27:25,810 --> 00:27:22,520 found a little bit some slight 603 00:27:29,860 --> 00:27:25,820 differences however the fabric of space 604 00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:29,870 as talked about by Einstein himself is 605 00:27:36,820 --> 00:27:34,240 that the entire universe is can be 606 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:36,830 controlled in a sense the fabric of 607 00:27:41,980 --> 00:27:40,370 space can be controlled by mass and the 608 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:41,990 larger the mass then the more 609 00:27:46,419 --> 00:27:44,330 compression of the fabric of space which 610 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:46,429 is relative to other positions around 611 00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:49,490 and throughout the universe and/or our 612 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:52,880 own solar system so our Sun for example 613 00:27:58,539 --> 00:27:55,370 has an equator has a little bit more 614 00:28:01,030 --> 00:27:58,549 mass or kind of a bulge at the equator 615 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:01,040 just like the earth does and therefore 616 00:28:06,130 --> 00:28:03,530 there's a slight there's a little bit 617 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:06,140 more compression and we could relate 618 00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,850 this to an accordion for example say an 619 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:12,799 accordion stretched all the way out as 620 00:28:19,299 --> 00:28:16,370 representing normal space if you get 621 00:28:22,510 --> 00:28:19,309 near a large mass in a natural condition 622 00:28:25,659 --> 00:28:22,520 and the accordion would begin to get 623 00:28:28,990 --> 00:28:25,669 compressed however that same distance 624 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:29,000 from the end one end to the accordion to 625 00:28:34,390 --> 00:28:31,730 the other is still the same amount of 626 00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:34,400 linear space except it is just 627 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:37,910 compressed and the object here of what 628 00:28:44,980 --> 00:28:41,049 Miguel Alcubierre talked about in 1994 629 00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:44,990 was the fact that he was looking at an 630 00:28:49,659 --> 00:28:47,390 artificial inducement of space that 631 00:28:52,330 --> 00:28:49,669 would compress in front of the craft and 632 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:52,340 then that compression would then begin 633 00:28:58,750 --> 00:28:54,650 to blossom out up and around the craft 634 00:29:03,700 --> 00:28:58,760 and then expand behind pushing the craft 635 00:29:06,430 --> 00:29:03,710 through on normal space so kind of like 636 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:06,440 if you want to envision a hot air 637 00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:10,690 balloon once it achieves its buoyancy 638 00:29:16,299 --> 00:29:14,510 being able to be floating through the 639 00:29:19,630 --> 00:29:16,309 atmosphere in a sense so you've got it 640 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:19,640 kind of like a hot air bubble maybe a 641 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:22,370 poor example but a lot of people have a 642 00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:25,010 very difficult time thinking about this 643 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:26,480 type of 644 00:29:31,030 --> 00:29:29,570 phenomenon is there any we have a couple 645 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:31,040 of questions coming up on the message 646 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:33,290 board but is there any parallel between 647 00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:35,330 your work and what they were talking 648 00:29:44,350 --> 00:29:40,190 about at skunk works I'm not familiar 649 00:29:47,740 --> 00:29:44,360 with exactly what they were doing there 650 00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,750 possibly could be parallels but I am not 651 00:29:54,370 --> 00:29:49,760 aware of the various programs that they 652 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:54,380 had going on actually I kind of believe 653 00:30:01,410 --> 00:29:57,410 is what I had actually witnessed when I 654 00:30:04,810 --> 00:30:01,420 was 16 is more than likely the type of 655 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:04,820 propulsion system that they utilized on 656 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:07,010 that craft I mean that was the thing 657 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:08,810 that really got me started actually we 658 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:13,250 have other ones here about that okay 659 00:30:20,110 --> 00:30:16,970 upstate New York a place called Goodyear 660 00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:20,120 Lake late August about a week before 661 00:30:27,340 --> 00:30:22,310 going back to school and my senior year 662 00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:27,350 and that morning was up at a friend's 663 00:30:32,530 --> 00:30:30,380 house we're looking up at the mountain 664 00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:32,540 and turning away and talking and joking 665 00:30:39,250 --> 00:30:34,840 around and off the corner of my eye 666 00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:39,260 spotted a silver disc and it was about 667 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:42,230 60 feet in diameter as an approximately 668 00:30:47,860 --> 00:30:44,450 100 feet off the top of the mountain 669 00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:47,870 which later we revealed a dug up a topo 670 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:52,640 map which was about 400 feet high and it 671 00:30:56,110 --> 00:30:54,410 was so it would be about five it would 672 00:30:58,750 --> 00:30:56,120 be about approximately 500 feet off the 673 00:31:02,620 --> 00:30:58,760 ground and about 1,200 feet down range 674 00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:02,630 of us and as it was only moving about a 675 00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:04,940 twenty miles an hour at the most 676 00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:07,760 at that at that particular time and as 677 00:31:13,420 --> 00:31:10,070 it passed our position it banked about 678 00:31:16,540 --> 00:31:13,430 20 degrees and I could see the top of 679 00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:16,550 this thing and I could see the metal 680 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:19,220 striations you know as you know like 681 00:31:23,410 --> 00:31:21,530 roll alumina mount you know when to 682 00:31:25,630 --> 00:31:23,420 manufacture there's kind of like an and 683 00:31:28,270 --> 00:31:25,640 embedded because of the rollers there's 684 00:31:30,940 --> 00:31:28,280 like striations into the metal well the 685 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:30,950 Sun reflected against this which was to 686 00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,690 our back and this is against the 687 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:34,640 perfectly blue sky had no clouds at all 688 00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:37,730 and you could see that there was a front 689 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:39,929 and back to the craft 690 00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:42,809 perfect discus shaped object platinum in 691 00:31:49,539 --> 00:31:46,500 color and it was not rotating or any of 692 00:31:52,220 --> 00:31:49,549 this stuff it was incredibly stable and 693 00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:52,230 this thing on and if you're familiar 694 00:31:57,049 --> 00:31:54,809 with aviation you'd appreciate this when 695 00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,059 this thing bank 20 degrees at 20 miles 696 00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:00,240 an hour 60 foot diameter craft it never 697 00:32:06,020 --> 00:32:04,230 lost an inch hmm I you know even a small 698 00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,030 aircraft like a Piper Cub when you bank 699 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:08,880 that aircraft you lose altitude okay 700 00:32:13,490 --> 00:32:10,890 there's some different lift coefficients 701 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:13,500 on to the wing at that point and again 702 00:32:18,049 --> 00:32:15,570 it's all thrust to weight ratios here in 703 00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,059 a normal horizontal flight you know you 704 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:20,159 can keep it nice and level but this 705 00:32:24,770 --> 00:32:22,530 thing didn't veer at all and then it 706 00:32:29,419 --> 00:32:24,780 righted up after a past our position and 707 00:32:32,390 --> 00:32:29,429 it just went away one and so that 708 00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:32,400 intrigued me to this very day how many 709 00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:35,880 people were with you by the way uh there 710 00:32:43,149 --> 00:32:41,220 was about was four or five of us before 711 00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:43,159 you move on I just wanted to know do you 712 00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,870 had you talked about it over the years 713 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:47,760 with the same people you witnessed it 714 00:32:55,159 --> 00:32:53,490 with yeah I mean over the before we all 715 00:32:56,659 --> 00:32:55,169 kind of separated and went our own ways 716 00:32:59,779 --> 00:32:56,669 after high school and then went to 717 00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:59,789 college and all this type of thing yeah 718 00:33:06,140 --> 00:33:01,620 after that time we did talk about it we 719 00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,150 also tried to get hit the the groups it 720 00:33:10,820 --> 00:33:08,640 was a family but to get the mother out 721 00:33:13,399 --> 00:33:10,830 so she would be in a witness because in 722 00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:13,409 the back of my mind being 16 who's going 723 00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,440 to believe us right yeah and so when I 724 00:33:21,289 --> 00:33:18,000 went home and I told my parents about it 725 00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:21,299 my father being an old retired colonel 726 00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:25,200 in the Army goes we get crazy I've 727 00:33:29,630 --> 00:33:28,049 actually compiled a story that details a 728 00:33:31,399 --> 00:33:29,640 lot of this with the maps and the 729 00:33:33,260 --> 00:33:31,409 position of where we were and all that 730 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:33,270 type of thing and a picture of the house 731 00:33:38,899 --> 00:33:36,809 of where we were related to the mountain 732 00:33:42,860 --> 00:33:38,909 and all this type of things so I put a 733 00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:42,870 lot of work into writing this up because 734 00:33:48,049 --> 00:33:46,080 to me this was really the beginning I 735 00:33:50,330 --> 00:33:48,059 mean I was a football player and a 736 00:33:53,270 --> 00:33:50,340 wrestler I dropped everything in my 737 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:53,280 senior year and I just started 738 00:33:58,700 --> 00:33:56,250 trying to collect information and trying 739 00:34:00,620 --> 00:33:58,710 to hone all my skills because I was 740 00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,630 bound and determined to figure this out 741 00:34:08,540 --> 00:34:02,960 now you know myself 742 00:34:10,970 --> 00:34:08,550 46 years later I think I may have 743 00:34:12,350 --> 00:34:10,980 figured out how it worked well that's 744 00:34:14,570 --> 00:34:12,360 that's the question I have for you I 745 00:34:16,669 --> 00:34:14,580 want to know first of all up in the 746 00:34:18,649 --> 00:34:16,679 message board someone wants to know what 747 00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,659 type of equipment do you have in your 748 00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,639 lab and I want to know have you had any 749 00:34:27,830 --> 00:34:22,560 break breakthroughs on this in your lab 750 00:34:31,580 --> 00:34:27,840 oh yeah oh yeah absolutely about it 751 00:34:33,970 --> 00:34:31,590 we've actually have held back for the 752 00:34:36,350 --> 00:34:33,980 last three years a lot of the 753 00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:36,360 discoveries that we've made because we 754 00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,200 have designed a number of confirming 755 00:34:44,270 --> 00:34:42,000 experiments that were different from the 756 00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:44,280 other ones and as we kept getting the 757 00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:46,379 same kinds of answers coming back we 758 00:34:51,260 --> 00:34:49,889 said well are we really sure isn't there 759 00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:51,270 another way to try to measure something 760 00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:54,020 like this we'll do this experiment and 761 00:35:00,080 --> 00:34:57,510 as a result we kept getting more and 762 00:35:04,780 --> 00:35:00,090 more confirmation of what we were seeing 763 00:35:09,830 --> 00:35:04,790 is was reality and so we haven't really 764 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:09,840 said anything and haven't you know you 765 00:35:13,850 --> 00:35:11,570 know put this out into the public view 766 00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:13,860 because then it gets a little scary of 767 00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:15,660 some of the other implications about it 768 00:35:21,110 --> 00:35:18,900 but you know I'm always very trying to 769 00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:21,120 look at this from a very positive mode 770 00:35:27,350 --> 00:35:24,900 of getting to the point of being able to 771 00:35:30,050 --> 00:35:27,360 actually lift the craft off the ground 772 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:30,060 that we've been building it's a quarter 773 00:35:37,070 --> 00:35:33,810 scale of a full-size version 30 by 30 774 00:35:39,110 --> 00:35:37,080 foot human-occupied craft seven people 775 00:35:41,780 --> 00:35:39,120 could sit in this thing but we have a 776 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:41,790 7x7 which is a quarter scale version of 777 00:35:47,180 --> 00:35:45,210 it and it weighs approximately 40 pounds 778 00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:47,190 and the motors that we've been 779 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:52,740 developing is the our goal is to lift 780 00:35:55,810 --> 00:35:54,090 this thing off the ground within the 781 00:35:58,820 --> 00:35:55,820 next six months to a year 782 00:36:00,860 --> 00:35:58,830 twist excited with the width funding or 783 00:36:03,590 --> 00:36:00,870 without funding we'll talk about that 784 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:03,600 too because you have an IndieGoGo and 785 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:06,090 let's talk a little bit about that but 786 00:36:08,070 --> 00:36:06,730 first of all 787 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:08,080 if you wouldn't mind answering what type 788 00:36:13,980 --> 00:36:10,810 of equipment do you have a lot of 789 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:13,990 homebrew I mean you don't go to you 790 00:36:18,330 --> 00:36:16,450 don't go down to the local store 791 00:36:19,650 --> 00:36:18,340 electronics I don't care whatever you 792 00:36:21,359 --> 00:36:19,660 want to kind of store you want a name 793 00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:21,369 and you can't pick up any of this kind 794 00:36:27,630 --> 00:36:25,030 of stuff so we've modified greatly a lot 795 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:27,640 of the basic equipment now we happen to 796 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:31,510 be using an RF based transmitter with 797 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:34,450 linear amplifiers and all these things 798 00:36:41,490 --> 00:36:37,650 are modified we have a very special 799 00:36:43,590 --> 00:36:41,500 fractal arrays and if people want to go 800 00:36:47,790 --> 00:36:43,600 to the website they can see pictures of 801 00:36:52,380 --> 00:36:47,800 it and these are specially modified and 802 00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:52,390 tuned - well the frequency is really 803 00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:54,780 kind of irrelevant in many regards but 804 00:37:01,770 --> 00:36:58,570 the the bottom line is is that what 805 00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:01,780 happens between these arrays as the 806 00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:03,910 compression of the fabric of space in 807 00:37:10,109 --> 00:37:05,820 the near field of the arrays themselves 808 00:37:12,050 --> 00:37:10,119 and we've actually replicated is the try 809 00:37:14,490 --> 00:37:12,060 pole electric fields within 810 00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:14,500 thunderstorms now one of the realities 811 00:37:20,849 --> 00:37:18,070 of Bruce's flight and a number of other 812 00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:20,859 pilots that in many people would claim 813 00:37:25,770 --> 00:37:23,950 that foam you know their accounts are 814 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:25,780 very anecdotal you know there's not a 815 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:28,210 lot of evidence well how many people fly 816 00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:29,770 with all kinds of different digital 817 00:37:35,099 --> 00:37:32,560 recorders and all kinds of cameras with 818 00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:35,109 them when they're flying aircraft right 819 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:38,560 that doesn't happen normally and we were 820 00:37:42,090 --> 00:37:40,090 fortunate like I said with Bruce being 821 00:37:43,590 --> 00:37:42,100 able to write down he had the refueling 822 00:37:45,210 --> 00:37:43,600 tickets and the maps and all this other 823 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:45,220 things and that's what really kind of 824 00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:48,130 led me down into trying to figure this 825 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:50,920 mystery out and the bottom line was is 826 00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:52,510 that the thunderstorms were the real 827 00:37:56,460 --> 00:37:54,640 elements here and the fact that the 828 00:37:58,410 --> 00:37:56,470 thunderstorms themselves are kind of 829 00:38:00,810 --> 00:37:58,420 like a huge particle accelerator that 830 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:00,820 make antimatter you got gamma rays 831 00:38:07,710 --> 00:38:03,490 coming out of these things they got like 832 00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:07,720 10 to the 15 watts of power which is an 833 00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:10,480 incredible amount of energy in 834 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:12,910 comparison to say for example like a 13 835 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:16,570 kiloton weapon that would have about ten 836 00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:18,490 to the seventh lots of power and 837 00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:19,200 equivalent 838 00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:21,660 so you got a differential there ten to 839 00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:23,700 the eighth watts of power I mean that 840 00:38:30,730 --> 00:38:27,900 it's tremendous now I say this and then 841 00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:30,740 when you talk to theoretical physicists 842 00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:33,720 they will claim that you have to have an 843 00:38:39,380 --> 00:38:35,579 ordering amount of power it has to be 844 00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,390 exotic energy and blah blah blah and I 845 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:42,000 respect what they are trying to do 846 00:38:47,329 --> 00:38:44,730 however we discovered that it doesn't 847 00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:47,339 require that and this is where the 848 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:51,440 controversy will go but however I will 849 00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:55,010 we will overcome that type of 850 00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:57,480 controversy with the lifting of the 851 00:39:01,849 --> 00:38:59,820 craft off the ground and then there 852 00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:01,859 won't be any arguments about what we've 853 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:05,099 done what we've accomplished and what we 854 00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:07,290 have gotten our patent pending Zahn 855 00:39:13,550 --> 00:39:11,760 so now that like I said we modify 856 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:13,560 greatly a lot of the equipment that we 857 00:39:22,010 --> 00:39:18,690 use we stretch our dollar greatly I work 858 00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:22,020 in northern amount of hours to put this 859 00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:23,849 towards that the team that we've 860 00:39:30,620 --> 00:39:25,980 assembled we have two physicists with us 861 00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:30,630 and we have a flight test engineer we 862 00:39:36,910 --> 00:39:33,540 have software people we have system 863 00:39:40,309 --> 00:39:36,920 designers and fabricators and that and 864 00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,319 no one gets paid and we've been to been 865 00:39:45,290 --> 00:39:42,240 together now for three years and we just 866 00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:45,300 recently took on a new physicist a 867 00:39:51,010 --> 00:39:48,569 particle physicist actually and some of 868 00:39:53,780 --> 00:39:51,020 the software that he's developed for 869 00:39:55,790 --> 00:39:53,790 some of the places that he's worked the 870 00:40:00,020 --> 00:39:55,800 experience that he's gained he thinks 871 00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:00,030 that he can adapt the concepts of what 872 00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:02,310 he's done with a you know a brand new 873 00:40:07,579 --> 00:40:05,040 base of software that will take the data 874 00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:07,589 that we have generated and be able to 875 00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:10,380 display it in a three dimensional mode 876 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:12,359 for us that's one of the things we 877 00:40:16,670 --> 00:40:14,130 really want to see now we have we have 878 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:16,680 our equations that we've developed that 879 00:40:22,190 --> 00:40:19,290 will predict how much pull that this 880 00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,200 motor has and again it may be a little 881 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:24,480 bit to describe here on to the podcast 882 00:40:30,319 --> 00:40:27,089 here but the the motors if you take your 883 00:40:32,929 --> 00:40:30,329 hand and form a V between your thumb 884 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:32,939 and you know your fingers and just open 885 00:40:37,939 --> 00:40:35,249 up your hand and form a V this thing 886 00:40:41,089 --> 00:40:37,949 doesn't thrust it pulls in other words 887 00:40:43,429 --> 00:40:41,099 things go in towards it and so we have a 888 00:40:45,859 --> 00:40:43,439 torsion bar and we've set up that's over 889 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:45,869 three and a half pounds of weight in an 890 00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:48,089 isolated case and it's insulated it's 891 00:40:54,380 --> 00:40:51,689 made out of glass and wood and we have 892 00:40:57,739 --> 00:40:54,390 put the motor 35 centimeters away we 893 00:41:01,279 --> 00:40:57,749 have put it 70 140 centimeters away and 894 00:41:06,859 --> 00:41:01,289 we can swing that way and we have Swing 895 00:41:10,249 --> 00:41:06,869 rates and which are per minute or 896 00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:10,259 millimeters per second at 35 centimeters 897 00:41:14,660 --> 00:41:12,689 for example it goes like one point five 898 00:41:17,749 --> 00:41:14,670 six or one and a half millimeters per 899 00:41:19,279 --> 00:41:17,759 second now to the audience that doesn't 900 00:41:22,789 --> 00:41:19,289 sound like a lot but when you see that 901 00:41:25,099 --> 00:41:22,799 laser reflecting off the mirror onto the 902 00:41:29,089 --> 00:41:25,109 projection screen and this thing was 903 00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:29,099 sitting dead still and then at 140 904 00:41:32,569 --> 00:41:30,900 centimeters you see the thing swinging 905 00:41:34,699 --> 00:41:32,579 again that's three and a half pounds of 906 00:41:37,549 --> 00:41:34,709 weight with a hundred watts of power 907 00:41:40,429 --> 00:41:37,559 coming out of the motor and so our motor 908 00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:40,439 evolution we've had I have ten different 909 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:42,900 variants of this motor each one is 910 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:46,890 stronger and with the same input we've 911 00:41:52,539 --> 00:41:49,410 been able to double the capacity of the 912 00:41:56,299 --> 00:41:52,549 motor and the new one that we're testing 913 00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,309 this this particular motor hasn't been 914 00:42:01,579 --> 00:41:58,319 put into the vertical test and yet in 915 00:42:04,699 --> 00:42:01,589 another few days it will be but the hope 916 00:42:06,859 --> 00:42:04,709 is from what I'm seeing right now is we 917 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:06,869 might be able to get it again to double 918 00:42:14,509 --> 00:42:10,170 the output with the same input and this 919 00:42:16,669 --> 00:42:14,519 is what we're leading up to is about 23 920 00:42:18,109 --> 00:42:16,679 to 24 hundred watts of power we should 921 00:42:20,809 --> 00:42:18,119 be able to lift about a hundred pounds 922 00:42:22,789 --> 00:42:20,819 off the ground and then it goes off kind 923 00:42:26,029 --> 00:42:22,799 of asymptotically in other words once 924 00:42:28,459 --> 00:42:26,039 you've established the overunity type of 925 00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:28,469 condition it doesn't require a whole lot 926 00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,049 more power and this kind of correlates 927 00:42:37,759 --> 00:42:33,599 back to what I seen when I was at 16 928 00:42:40,279 --> 00:42:37,769 years old is that being in a horizontal 929 00:42:42,620 --> 00:42:40,289 position and moving it doesn't require 930 00:42:43,540 --> 00:42:42,630 and that's what it appeared to me it 931 00:42:45,250 --> 00:42:43,550 didn't really did 932 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:45,260 interfere that it required that much 933 00:42:49,420 --> 00:42:46,970 more energy for this thing to just take 934 00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:49,430 off like a shot which I think that the 935 00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:52,190 this particular UFO which has been seen 936 00:43:02,110 --> 00:42:57,920 all over the world and over there's 937 00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,120 pictures of it from 2001 and Budapest 938 00:43:08,380 --> 00:43:04,400 Hungary it's the same crap that I saw 939 00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:08,390 when I was 16 so I you know the evidence 940 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:11,150 is out there that this craft has been 941 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:13,250 around now did somebody here on earth 942 00:43:21,310 --> 00:43:19,250 produce it well I don't know if I can 943 00:43:23,050 --> 00:43:21,320 answer that because I am not 944 00:43:26,410 --> 00:43:23,060 knowledgeable of everything that goes on 945 00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:26,420 behind the scenes and skunk works and 946 00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:29,270 other places around the world but to be 947 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:31,990 quite honest with you if we had it in 948 00:43:39,010 --> 00:43:35,930 1969 wouldn't you think that we would 949 00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:39,020 have that now yeah I think that came up 950 00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:41,990 in a couple of podcasts ago when when I 951 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:44,510 was speaking with Lise Spiegel about 952 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:46,370 something that people are talking about 953 00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:48,890 exists now and he saw that way back when 954 00:43:53,740 --> 00:43:51,380 you know same same type of deal it 955 00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:53,750 couldn't be held secret that long I mean 956 00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:56,960 I I wouldn't think it could be well if 957 00:44:01,780 --> 00:43:59,090 you have individuals like Kelly Johnson 958 00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,790 who was the head of the skunk works and 959 00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:03,680 he had a sighting of a craft the dark 960 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:07,040 craft that was a kind of triangular in 961 00:44:12,670 --> 00:44:09,890 shape if I recall the story correctly 962 00:44:16,660 --> 00:44:12,680 but he had an encounter and he had a an 963 00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:16,670 observation and yet you know he designs 964 00:44:22,540 --> 00:44:20,240 then the sr-71 obviously had a whole 965 00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:22,550 litany of aircraft that he was you know 966 00:44:29,230 --> 00:44:26,000 he guy on that developed and flew but 967 00:44:30,910 --> 00:44:29,240 one would think that if he actually had 968 00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:30,920 that sighting and was impressed by it 969 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:33,440 that they weren't doing anything at that 970 00:44:38,890 --> 00:44:37,130 point and if there was anybody that was 971 00:44:41,650 --> 00:44:38,900 going to be doing stuff like that I 972 00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,660 would kind of imagine that if there were 973 00:44:47,650 --> 00:44:44,000 government research labs they would have 974 00:44:52,350 --> 00:44:47,660 been tried to got him to develop a craft 975 00:44:55,420 --> 00:44:52,360 around the engine technology but that's 976 00:44:56,810 --> 00:44:55,430 speculative on my part and I usually 977 00:44:58,850 --> 00:44:56,820 like to only make 978 00:45:02,000 --> 00:44:58,860 statements that I can back up with with 979 00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:02,010 fact but the that observation of Kelly 980 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:05,880 Johnson was quite intriguing to me in a 981 00:45:10,310 --> 00:45:07,770 census was that just the story to cover 982 00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:10,320 up select something or did he 983 00:45:13,610 --> 00:45:11,220 legitimately 984 00:45:16,910 --> 00:45:13,620 have the sighting of which has been 985 00:45:19,210 --> 00:45:16,920 stated and documented I would have a 986 00:45:22,910 --> 00:45:19,220 tendency to believe him 987 00:45:24,530 --> 00:45:22,920 more than other people that's just 988 00:45:25,820 --> 00:45:24,540 because it was an engineer but I've seen 989 00:45:28,420 --> 00:45:25,830 a lot of interviews with the guy and he 990 00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:28,430 seemed very very down-to-earth you know 991 00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:31,740 but you know I guess we can all have 992 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:35,460 secrets now are you as anyone reaching 993 00:45:40,820 --> 00:45:37,890 out to you since you've been talking 994 00:45:43,790 --> 00:45:40,830 about this and giving you their feedback 995 00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:43,800 any type of scientists in the field that 996 00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:45,960 have an interest in this or you kind of 997 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:49,730 solo and bringing people in on your own 998 00:45:55,330 --> 00:45:52,050 there really hasn't been any interest 999 00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:55,340 from the outside scientific community 1000 00:46:02,690 --> 00:45:58,650 we're going this alone we realize we're 1001 00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:02,700 up against we're going against in some 1002 00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:05,070 respects the the energy levels and has 1003 00:46:11,770 --> 00:46:08,520 been a big point of controversy I go 1004 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:11,780 down several different Theory chol 1005 00:46:18,980 --> 00:46:15,210 physicists that have you know made their 1006 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:18,990 statements and I it really doesn't 1007 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:21,330 bother me because I'm going in my own 1008 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:26,130 direction so the facts that we have of 1009 00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:28,650 the facts it works it's there 1010 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:31,200 it does was supposed to do I hear I'll 1011 00:46:37,790 --> 00:46:33,930 put you this way what you cannot 1012 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:37,800 compress a laser beam within a near 1013 00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:41,850 field of an RF generated environment you 1014 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:44,760 can't compress a laser beam we do and we 1015 00:46:50,540 --> 00:46:46,770 have the data from different experiments 1016 00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:50,550 that all correlate the same thing we 1017 00:46:55,850 --> 00:46:53,040 have as we ran a hundred and forty 1018 00:46:59,060 --> 00:46:55,860 points with the laser with the system 1019 00:47:02,600 --> 00:46:59,070 off no system on and with those hundred 1020 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:02,610 forty points we achieved a sigma for now 1021 00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:05,370 in order to get sigma v if you've been 1022 00:47:09,019 --> 00:47:07,260 you know reading about CERN with the 1023 00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:09,029 boson and all that they 1024 00:47:14,449 --> 00:47:11,099 and I on like ten million points to get 1025 00:47:17,509 --> 00:47:14,459 a Sigma Phi we just needed another 4,000 1026 00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:17,519 points to get a Sigma Phi and I wasn't 1027 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:19,140 going to take that kind of eat up that 1028 00:47:23,469 --> 00:47:20,729 kind of time because we're not a 1029 00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:23,479 research lab you know we're trying to 1030 00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:26,579 apply what we've learned and make this 1031 00:47:30,259 --> 00:47:27,359 thing work 1032 00:47:32,749 --> 00:47:30,269 so I felt Sigma 4 was good enough for us 1033 00:47:36,409 --> 00:47:32,759 at this point but the compressing of a 1034 00:47:38,569 --> 00:47:36,419 laser beam is quite significant and the 1035 00:47:40,579 --> 00:47:38,579 next part of this which then also goes 1036 00:47:43,279 --> 00:47:40,589 to compression of spaces that we 1037 00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:43,289 discovered that we have a redshift that 1038 00:47:48,380 --> 00:47:46,049 goes into the motor now then we could 1039 00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:48,390 correlate this to the effects of like a 1040 00:47:53,539 --> 00:47:51,839 black hole as you approach the fabric of 1041 00:47:56,299 --> 00:47:53,549 space to a black hole and you get near 1042 00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,309 the event horizon the fabric of space 1043 00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:58,079 would begin to compress but it also 1044 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:00,900 exhibits the characteristics of a 1045 00:48:07,009 --> 00:48:04,650 redshift now with that said the next 1046 00:48:10,399 --> 00:48:07,019 point of this would be well how can you 1047 00:48:12,529 --> 00:48:10,409 prove that you're adjusting the fabric 1048 00:48:15,259 --> 00:48:12,539 of space what's the reach or the fetch 1049 00:48:17,479 --> 00:48:15,269 of this motor and that's why we set up 1050 00:48:21,289 --> 00:48:17,489 this modified Henry Cavendish experiment 1051 00:48:24,819 --> 00:48:21,299 where the torsion bars in an isolated 1052 00:48:27,949 --> 00:48:24,829 case there isn't any static electricity 1053 00:48:32,149 --> 00:48:27,959 there isn't any kind of a electro-motive 1054 00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:32,159 force here but this torsion bar when the 1055 00:48:37,849 --> 00:48:35,609 motor is positioned at a variety of 1056 00:48:41,179 --> 00:48:37,859 different distances but positions so 1057 00:48:43,429 --> 00:48:41,189 that it is accessing the on the end of 1058 00:48:44,689 --> 00:48:43,439 the torsion bar which are you know like 1059 00:48:47,269 --> 00:48:44,699 I said these three and a half pound 1060 00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:47,279 massive weights there and this thing 1061 00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:51,599 begins to pull towards the motor so that 1062 00:48:56,449 --> 00:48:54,089 the motor does not thrust it pulls and 1063 00:48:59,059 --> 00:48:56,459 so somebody's going to have to come up 1064 00:49:01,759 --> 00:48:59,069 and then explain to us with all the 1065 00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:01,769 results that we have is that everything 1066 00:49:09,049 --> 00:49:06,569 that we've experienced is totally bogus 1067 00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:09,059 and I'm going to tell you is that 1068 00:49:15,799 --> 00:49:12,079 they're not going to be able to 1069 00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:15,809 discredit what has happened here what 1070 00:49:20,209 --> 00:49:17,880 we've discovered we've also discovered 1071 00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:20,219 which was also another interesting point 1072 00:49:25,549 --> 00:49:22,140 we we 1073 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:25,559 oh that it you just can't generate just 1074 00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:27,690 one big huge bubble and a lot of the 1075 00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,940 Thorntons talk about one big bubble 1076 00:49:35,539 --> 00:49:31,920 thousand meters big and all this type of 1077 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:35,549 stuff and with the exotic energy we 1078 00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:37,890 discovered that you can make a larger 1079 00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:41,250 bubble from multiple sources and we've 1080 00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:43,710 also figured out how to steer this thing 1081 00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:47,220 so Al Kooper had a big problem in that 1082 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:51,000 in his theorizing of this is you go 1083 00:49:54,319 --> 00:49:53,130 straight in a straight line well that's 1084 00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:54,329 not entirely true 1085 00:50:00,289 --> 00:49:58,680 this thing is affected by mass Gordon 1086 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:00,299 went in at 10,000 feet and a hundred 1087 00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:03,210 miles later he came out of ten I'm sorry 1088 00:50:07,309 --> 00:50:05,460 he went in at ten thousand feet and 100 1089 00:50:10,420 --> 00:50:07,319 miles later he came out at 10,000 feet 1090 00:50:13,579 --> 00:50:10,430 which meant that the mass of the earth 1091 00:50:15,289 --> 00:50:13,589 influenced the bubble and this means 1092 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:15,299 that if you go on to space with this 1093 00:50:20,509 --> 00:50:18,210 bubble it means that if you're not into 1094 00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:20,519 a neutral point when you start to drive 1095 00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:22,920 out of the solar system you may be 1096 00:50:27,049 --> 00:50:25,529 influenced and again there's some 1097 00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:27,059 unknowns there because we haven't 1098 00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:30,329 obviously done that but in the lab we've 1099 00:50:35,269 --> 00:50:32,339 been able to put multiple engines 1100 00:50:37,549 --> 00:50:35,279 together and power one engine up more 1101 00:50:42,769 --> 00:50:37,559 than the other and we can get it to turn 1102 00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:42,779 on its axis so actual control is it was 1103 00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:44,910 a big consideration in design of the 1104 00:50:50,990 --> 00:50:48,359 blue bird with the multiple engine pods 1105 00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,000 that we have two on the one on each wing 1106 00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:54,480 tip and one prior a back of the cockpit 1107 00:51:01,220 --> 00:50:58,170 area and that will generate a bubble 1108 00:51:04,970 --> 00:51:01,230 that we can then control and articulate 1109 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:04,980 the motors inside the pods to allow full 1110 00:51:11,740 --> 00:51:08,130 actual control of the craft so we're 1111 00:51:14,509 --> 00:51:11,750 very excited about that and we have our 1112 00:51:17,539 --> 00:51:14,519 power results and made comparisons 1113 00:51:20,029 --> 00:51:17,549 against the ion drive thrusters that are 1114 00:51:21,650 --> 00:51:20,039 out there and we made a comparison and 1115 00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:21,660 you can see that in our paper that's 1116 00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:23,849 presented on the spaceport dynamics 1117 00:51:29,509 --> 00:51:27,390 website there's a comparison of the Dawn 1118 00:51:30,910 --> 00:51:29,519 spacecraft and their velocities of what 1119 00:51:34,580 --> 00:51:30,920 they achieve and what we've achieved 1120 00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:34,590 with a hundred watts of power 1121 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:37,740 it's quite remarkable the significant 1122 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:40,050 differences anion drive engine is the 1123 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:41,850 equivalent of what they're using now on 1124 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:44,010 a dawn spacecraft is the equivalent of 1125 00:51:48,370 --> 00:51:45,690 like holding a piece of paper in your 1126 00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:48,380 hand that's the amount of thrust 1127 00:51:53,890 --> 00:51:50,910 capability that it has and it's 1128 00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:53,900 cumulative and right now the fastest 1129 00:51:59,180 --> 00:51:56,730 spacecraft without any kind of 1130 00:52:01,100 --> 00:51:59,190 gravitational assist and that's like 1131 00:52:03,050 --> 00:52:01,110 twenty six thousand seven hundred miles 1132 00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:03,060 per hour now it's taken him about four 1133 00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:05,670 years to do that and using their same 1134 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:08,700 specific impulse characteristics all the 1135 00:52:13,010 --> 00:52:10,410 same criteria that they would use with 1136 00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:13,020 the ion drive we did this with our 100 1137 00:52:20,030 --> 00:52:15,300 watt unit and that was an older engine 1138 00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:20,040 by the way and at 52 minute mark 1139 00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:23,760 were at 10.26 newtons of thrust 1140 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:27,480 well equivalent okay this would be for 1141 00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:31,050 us a pull and an equivalent velocity 1142 00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,660 because we're traversing distance and 1143 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:35,280 again this is a concept that a lot of 1144 00:52:42,830 --> 00:52:39,650 people have a lot of hard time grasping 1145 00:52:44,420 --> 00:52:42,840 but our equivalent velocity at the end 1146 00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:44,430 of a four year mark would be well over 1147 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:46,500 three million miles per hour and with 1148 00:52:55,580 --> 00:52:51,330 the new motor that actually works out to 1149 00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:55,590 be almost double that like we'd be in 1150 00:52:59,780 --> 00:52:57,690 excess of six million miles an hour with 1151 00:53:01,880 --> 00:52:59,790 the new engine that we have tested and 1152 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:01,890 that's old stuff because we have a new 1153 00:53:06,980 --> 00:53:04,290 motor and like I said every time we have 1154 00:53:09,860 --> 00:53:06,990 a new route eration of it it it's better 1155 00:53:12,050 --> 00:53:09,870 and better and better so that's our 1156 00:53:14,570 --> 00:53:12,060 ultimate goal but we we kind of made 1157 00:53:17,660 --> 00:53:14,580 that comparison so that people would 1158 00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:17,670 begin to realize is that or this is a 1159 00:53:22,850 --> 00:53:19,740 horse play this is serious stuff and 1160 00:53:25,850 --> 00:53:22,860 that what we have achieved at these low 1161 00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:25,860 power levels far exceed what the 1162 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:28,740 abilities of the Zeon based ion drive 1163 00:53:33,140 --> 00:53:31,650 spacecraft are and we'd love to get an 1164 00:53:35,660 --> 00:53:33,150 opportunity to stick one of these things 1165 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:35,670 into space just as it is you know with 1166 00:53:40,310 --> 00:53:38,130 the technology that we have evolved and 1167 00:53:42,500 --> 00:53:40,320 developed we could run on batteries 1168 00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:42,510 that's the nice part about this so we 1169 00:53:49,940 --> 00:53:45,599 can run solar panels we can run on bat 1170 00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:49,950 it's not it we don't use any fuel so 1171 00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:52,500 which is amazing now is there anything 1172 00:53:56,809 --> 00:53:54,510 on YouTube this is another question up 1173 00:53:59,599 --> 00:53:56,819 on the board anything on YouTube people 1174 00:54:02,839 --> 00:53:59,609 can look at to see any of your progress 1175 00:54:05,630 --> 00:54:02,849 or anything in action well actually if 1176 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:05,640 you go to the Space Warp dynamics 1177 00:54:10,279 --> 00:54:07,890 website there in the lower right hand 1178 00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:10,289 side of the first page there there's a 1179 00:54:15,799 --> 00:54:13,140 little tab or a button that says YouTube 1180 00:54:18,380 --> 00:54:15,809 videos and you can see kind of a 1181 00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:18,390 narrated piece that I do and it shows 1182 00:54:25,849 --> 00:54:22,020 the experiment of the torsion bar being 1183 00:54:29,569 --> 00:54:25,859 pulled by the motor and I you know I 1184 00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,579 have to say is my you know television 1185 00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:31,440 and production and all that kind of 1186 00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:33,720 stuff is you know I do I did a little 1187 00:54:42,170 --> 00:54:36,839 bit of that in high school as a kind of 1188 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:42,180 a hobby but we are not professionals you 1189 00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:45,170 have to give us a little bit of a 1190 00:54:51,019 --> 00:54:48,510 quarter on that our production and 1191 00:54:53,059 --> 00:54:51,029 capability but I think we get the point 1192 00:54:57,230 --> 00:54:53,069 across you see the motor you see the 1193 00:54:59,059 --> 00:54:57,240 isolated cage and we're all all of this 1194 00:55:02,390 --> 00:54:59,069 stuff is taking place into a Faraday 1195 00:55:04,130 --> 00:55:02,400 cage number one is that all and you know 1196 00:55:05,930 --> 00:55:04,140 straight a minute of the signals because 1197 00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,940 we didn't know what we were really 1198 00:55:09,799 --> 00:55:07,920 dealing with we didn't know the biologic 1199 00:55:12,529 --> 00:55:09,809 hazards of this thing if there were any 1200 00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:12,539 and so we've actually made measurements 1201 00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:15,510 of we have a Geiger counter digital and 1202 00:55:21,319 --> 00:55:18,900 also handheld type bold styles and with 1203 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:21,329 the digital we had seen at a hundred 1204 00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:27,210 watts a half of microgram and to let 1205 00:55:31,849 --> 00:55:28,799 everybody know what that is there's a 1206 00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:31,859 thousand micrograms per REM which is a 1207 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:34,710 very low amount of radiation the 1208 00:55:40,010 --> 00:55:37,170 background it's probably 12 to 18 1209 00:55:42,769 --> 00:55:40,020 micrograms that we experience on a 1210 00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:42,779 day-to-day basis natural uranium and the 1211 00:55:47,660 --> 00:55:44,940 soils and the wood and brick and things 1212 00:55:51,339 --> 00:55:47,670 like this sometimes you can get a little 1213 00:55:54,769 --> 00:55:51,349 bit elevated but we're talking a half a 1214 00:55:57,970 --> 00:55:54,779 microgram of what we measured in the 1215 00:56:01,930 --> 00:55:57,980 throat of the engine 1216 00:56:04,089 --> 00:56:01,940 so with that said we still don't quite 1217 00:56:09,339 --> 00:56:04,099 understand what would be the 1218 00:56:11,980 --> 00:56:09,349 ramifications if you're getting wrapped 1219 00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:11,990 up into the fabric of space being 1220 00:56:18,190 --> 00:56:15,440 compressed and released how that affects 1221 00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:18,200 us on a cellular structure but I can 1222 00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:21,020 assure you that we're at a at this 1223 00:56:25,569 --> 00:56:23,510 juncture we're you know with the Faraday 1224 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:25,579 cage we have meters outside of the cage 1225 00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:27,770 and all of our meters are reading zero 1226 00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:31,520 and so we feel pretty comfortable in the 1227 00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:35,089 sense that of what we have you know 1228 00:56:40,990 --> 00:56:37,849 purposely investigated to see for our 1229 00:56:43,180 --> 00:56:41,000 health no one's gotten sick and we've 1230 00:56:48,490 --> 00:56:43,190 been doing this for years now I I 1231 00:56:50,589 --> 00:56:48,500 suspect that that we're fine well we're 1232 00:56:53,050 --> 00:56:50,599 right at the end of our show here can 1233 00:56:55,329 --> 00:56:53,060 you give out the name of your website 1234 00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:55,339 and also how someone can find you on the 1235 00:57:01,359 --> 00:56:58,640 IndieGoGo fun drive you have going sure 1236 00:57:04,660 --> 00:57:01,369 the IndieGoGo fun drive is you just type 1237 00:57:07,420 --> 00:57:04,670 in US Space Warp it will take you right 1238 00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:07,430 down into that particular segment the 1239 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:12,400 the web sites that we have are Paris 1240 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:17,450 Space Warp our Paris Space Warp research 1241 00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:21,050 org they'll take you to the base website 1242 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:23,839 that we established but what you see is 1243 00:57:31,180 --> 00:57:28,490 actually kind of the as we have gone 1244 00:57:33,250 --> 00:57:31,190 around gone along from the beginning to 1245 00:57:35,470 --> 00:57:33,260 where we are right now and you'll see 1246 00:57:38,050 --> 00:57:35,480 buttons in there that that reference to 1247 00:57:40,540 --> 00:57:38,060 the Space Warp dynamics and there's 1248 00:57:42,430 --> 00:57:40,550 actually an independent war website for 1249 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:42,440 that as well just type into your search 1250 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:45,050 engine space warp dynamics and it'll pop 1251 00:57:49,569 --> 00:57:47,810 right up or just type in my name and ok 1252 00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:49,579 it will come up all right well hey 1253 00:57:54,339 --> 00:57:51,920 thanks so much we have to go for right 1254 00:57:57,940 --> 00:57:54,349 now and so that's it for our show today 1255 00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:57,950 and you can catch this podcast and any 1256 00:58:02,740 --> 00:57:59,599 other podcasts on our website which is 1257 00:58:05,170 --> 00:58:02,750 podcast UFO comm you can also check out 1258 00:58:07,420 --> 00:58:05,180 the links and the stories and our show 1259 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:07,430 notes as well as joining in the 1260 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:09,050 conversation in our forums I want to 1261 00:58:13,059 --> 00:58:11,690 give a quick thank to every thanks 1262 00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:13,069 one out there for helping out Keith 1263 00:58:18,339 --> 00:58:14,960 Rowland producer for Dark Matter radio 1264 00:58:20,740 --> 00:58:18,349 of course our guest David Paris we have 1265 00:58:23,620 --> 00:58:20,750 Carrie Lloyd Whitehouse and sui vac for 1266 00:58:25,450 --> 00:58:23,630 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